Thursday, October 16, 2008

Who Won?

Neither Plumber Joe from Toledo or I have decided who to vote for. So leave me your most convincing comment based on who you think we should!!! Or just weigh in on who you thought won last night’s final Presidential debate. Who won?

20 comments:

EthicsProfessor said...

I have decided either one would bring good qualifications to the office. Obama has smarts, articulate tongue and a good perspective of racism. However, he has not disagreed with his leaders much. He has been nurtured by his party.

McCain has streets smarts. he is a fighter and has some deep loyalty to truth. He is willing to disagree with his own party.


I am just convinced either one is in for the roughest job in the world. They are inheriting a position that some would be a huge challenge.

I think the VP with the most presidential quality is Biden but I also think Palin has been unnecessarily criticized.

Good luck to all of them. I thought my job was hard

Anonymous said...

Vote McCain! The last time we had a recession (as we are currently experiencing) and placed an inexperienced politician (Herbert Hoover) in office, we ended up in a depression. Furthermore, McCain has proven to be more true to his word. Obama has contradicted himself numerous times; he needs to be called out on it!

Matthew Gamble said...

I think that McCain definitely stood his ground much better last night than the previous two debates. His arguments came across clearer, BUT I was still frustrated with his attacks and debate style. He comes across so belittling. Quite frankly I am impressed with how Obama remains so poised, knowing that if I was in his shoes I would be yelling back in defense.

Ultimately it seems that people, especially in younger generations, are voting for a person, not a party. And that is why I think that Obama is more popular right now and will more than likely be the next president of the United States.

I am still undecided, but at the end of the day even though "anonymous" quoted McCain comment that, "the last time we had a recession (as we are currently experiencing) and placed an inexperienced politician (Herbert Hoover) in office, we ended up in a depression", I believe that the president is one man who is helping to run a team. He has advisors that will help in his decision making. While McCain's past is impressive, I believe that the damage done over the last 8 years necessitates a front-person who will not only help rebuild relationships between other nations, but also unite this country as a whole. And I believe that Obama is the man who will lead us through that process effectively.

mwg

Heather Smith LaPoint said...

McCain won the debate. When I vote, I ask myself a few questions: Do you like what the republicans promise or do you like what the democrats promise? And secondly, who do I trust? The president has advisors and many departments to assist him with running the country but we can't afford to have another leader that we don't believe in nor have any faith in. This causes unnecessary turmoil and havoc. McCain is not a polished speaker but I have trust in him and his ability to lead the country.

Anonymous said...

Mike, this is a good election to be undecided until the week of the election... there are so many factors to take into consideration.

I am leaning towards Obama. I think there is a lot more substance to his plan. He is focusing on the big issues that are afflicting this country, such as health care and education. He has shown to be more in touch with the middle class.

McCain has adopted a strategy of personal attacks. What that says to me is that he is trying to distract the masses to avoid the big issues, for which he has very poor answers when you compare them to Obama.

A pastor friend of yours...

Heather Smith LaPoint said...

PS
As a small business owner, the last thing I wanted to hear from our possible next president is that he is going to take more money out of my business so he can spread it around. Are you kidding me? Thats the wrong thing to say to people that have invested their life savings into a small business, risked their home and livelihood, have worked 70+ hour weeks for 20 years, have made sacrafices, not taken pay checks so their employees can be paid, have sold belongings to pay taxes......hmmmmmmm.

Anonymous said...

Here it is as I see it. Do you want an angry old man? Can McCain stand the riggers of the job, look how that job ages people, this is a time like no other. I am sure we be in more war then ever before. Here is the second thing, McCain's running mate is mean spirited, she allows the killing of wolves in a very brutal manner, so many were killed such a short time they were put back on the endangered species list, noe snother thing is getting her crowds so agitated that they yelling "kill Obama", "blow him up", now what kind of person is this? Sarah may become the President, now that is a strong possibility. Lastly, that whole thing about troppergate which she was found to have played a big part and she says" I am so glad it is over and I was found guilty".

I think it should be someone who can be calm in the face of all odds and believe me they are there. Obama maybe my first choose but I think he is better fitted to handle is God awful mess we are in. God Bless anyone who has to take this on.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Heather...

"McCain won the debate. When I vote, I ask myself a few questions: Do you like what the republicans promise or do you like what the democrats promise? And secondly, who do I trust? "

I feel that on more than one occasion McCain "had him on the ropes" and let him go. ASK the questions we want to know and MAKE him tell the truth! McCain I feel is to much of a gentleman but unfortunately it comes across as being an angry ol' man... I feel like when I watch him he may as well be gritting his teeth, shaking his fist yelling "why I otta..." And then nothing. Empty fist shaking...

I do not like the idea of Obama "spreading the wealth." That is the last thing most "middle" Amercia wants to hear.

I was so worked up the other night I cried. Poor Tom! But the next morning as He always does. God let me know WE are not in control of this. We need to do our part pray, read, share, VOTE! But ultimately He will do what he says He will do on his own time. He'll get where He needs to be with or without us!

K. Wilkins

grumpy said...

Obama is more in touch with the middle class,and is not going to raise your business tax ,some people just don't listen, and Obamma has a better understanding of the unfair trade agreements. McCain is a hot head and we don't need in office right now. Unless you want to learn to speak Chinese! Vote Obama

Mike Fortune said...

Great replies. Thank you all for weighing in!!! While I'm not sure who I'll vote for yet, what I can tell you is I am not pro-abortion any more than I am for the killing of Iraqis.

* Did you know somewhere between 25,000 and 80,000 Iraqis have been killed so far by the war in the more conservative accounting? See the updated data on the website www.iraqbodycount.org not to mention the 4,184 dead among U.S. forces and our allies. There was also a report published in Lancet, the respected medical journal in England, that estimates the number killed in Iraq from all sides at over 650,000. Which was criticized because it includes people dying from disease caused by the Iraq war destroying clean water sources, etc., but that sobering number is probably closer to reality. The smaller numbers are restricted to people who were shot or bombed only.

What I can also tell you is I am against abortion especially partial birth. But I am also against the neglect of the working poor.

* According to the latest U.S. Census data (2007), there are 37.3 million people living below the poverty line in America. Did you know those numbers are based on stats from 1962 that don't reflect the rising cost of living and commodities? When we conservatively update those numbers for today, there are really 74.6 million people living below the poverty line in America, 2/3 of whom are white [so it's not a race issue] and already employed [so they're not lazy people who choose to be this way] often working more than one job, but still can't afford to buy bread. Ohio has nearly 3 million of them.

So pray for me as I sincerely wrestle in my Christianity with all of these sobering and complex numbers!!!

Anonymous said...

I think that both candidates have their own strong points. My top priority is integrity--for that, I have to give my vote to McCain. There are too many issues with Obama and his campaign that he refuses to address. I think McCain has been a gentleman for so long that it will probably cost him the election. Last night, he finally brought up some of the issues that his supporters have been encouraging--And he came across as "angry", while Obama, refusing to discuss anything, came across as "cool." McCain appears to me to be unwilling to go for a kill--he nips at Obama's heels, but backs off before getting to the point where Obama would really have to defend himself.

At this point, I don't think it matters much who won the debate. ACORN has illegally registered so many voters that Obama will likely win by a large margin.

I just keep reminding myself that God is in control, and whatever happens will be part of his plan....

grumpy said...

Obama did discuss everything from ayers to acorn. I guess I must have watched a different debate! and McCain has resorted to lies and attacks. I used to respect Mccain but he has lost character.

Arden said...

Are you kidding me? I don't want a president who thinks it is good to raise our taxes so he can "spread the wealth around!" No thank you, Obama! Go govern China or Russia if you want a socialist government to spread the weatlth around. The sad part is, the "wealth" that they want to spread around is never theirs!

Mike Fortune said...

Why does McCain want to continue spending $10 billion a month in Iraq while 75 million people over here living in poverty? Why is it "socialism" to allocate $25 billion to feed people than it is to spend $700 billion to bail out wall street? Why is "spreading the debt" around not socialism too? What I don't understand is why Christians vote for the person they think will save them the most money instead of the person they believe will do the most good for the least of these?

Heather Smith LaPoint said...

Pastor, the reason why I want to protect my money is so I can utilize it little more efficiently than the government. The government doesn’t support our church, pay the bills, fund money for evangelism, or provide 70% of our students at TJA with scholarships so they can attend a great christian school that WILL impact their lives forever. Not all Republican Christians want Americans to suffer while money is being spent on the war. The thought that there are hungry people in our country is disgusting. A person without food and shelter is uncalled for. America has an extremely generous welfare system. I don't think they disburse the money in a sensible manner, but by paying more tax dollars into the system, I'm not sure that the government will suddenly become fair and provide the poor working class people with the assistance they deserve. Having grown up with very little, I learned first hand that the government, whether a democrat or republican in office, was not going to help. Thankfully, I had a church family that made sure that I had a christian education, clothes to wear and food to eat!!

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Mike Fortune said...

So if Republicans are already just as guilty of spreading the debt around as Democrats are guilty of wanting to spread more of the wealth, and both parties are apparently going to continue doing so with or without my approval, why should I vote for either of them? Maybe I should write Ron Paul on the ballot in protest!!!

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Anonymous said...

Tom Wilkins

I just do not see anyway I could support Obama's position on partial birth abortions. I do not really agree with either candidate but at least if McCain was in office, there would be some kind of check to a single party house and senate.

SmartDuNNO said...

Mike, I just do not understand how some people can confuse "communism" with "socialism" -- THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!

Socialism is a form of government practiced in many developed countries. Some of the best governments have socialistic basis. Even our government often branches out into socialism.

Socialism simply means that "society" comes together and organizes itself to attain a greater good, which could not be achievable by individuals alone. Think about the school system, fire fighters, roads maintenance, the military, etc.

Here is another reality that some folks seem not to comprehend: you can have a socialistic government and capitalism... together! Yes, in the same country!

Socialism has been demonized in this country. It is time to take a look at ourselves, realize that there is no perfect government and that we can learn something from others outside. Especially in light of the economic crises that we are facing in the name of capitalistic ideals. What's funny to me is that it took a typical 'socialistic' move (the bailout) to get us out of the pit...

Some areas of our society might actually benefit from a more socialized approach, an example is health care. I was raised in a capitalistic/socialistic country. My uncle has his own business and I worked with him for a while. He does not have to provide health care for his employees, or retirement.

You are born with the right to get sick! Here, in the US that right is not given to you at birth, you need to buy it... in fact you need to pay thousands of dollars just to come to this world. How many don't go to the doctor because it costs money, even when we are sick?

Trust me, it is so relieving to know that you can go to the doctor without wallet. Or knowing that there is no insurance company that will start counting the days you have been hospitalized in case you get sick. As you can tell, I am a big fan of socialized medicine. Many will not agree with me, but likely they have never experienced anything different than the reality they are in.

Thank you for providing this forum, I rarely have a chance to talk about these things in person.